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Daesu · Dec 26, 2010, 04:03 AM // 04:03

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

As I've said before..anyone who takes the dialogues between Gwen and Keiran and assigns serious tones to every word has never been in any real meaningful relationship. Having been in a few, and currently a very strong marriage for over a decade, I know how two people interact when they have a strong relationship built around struggle. I assigned a joking, half-crying, enthusiastic and a bit uncomfortable tone of voice to Gwen's dialogue throughout the whole thing. Most of it was that she was pissed at herself for being so bitchy, but loving him for seeing through it and bringing her out of her shell. the whole "complaining about his ponytail" bit is just retarded...she's obviously not dead-serious about that. Put a little laughter into the words and you'll see it for yourself. I also haven't seen any direct orders, ALTHOUGH she's still technically his superior officer.

You are not the only one here who have been happily married for over a decade. A truly matured woman would understand that driving everyone that she cares about away from her is not the happiest way of living. In fact, it stems from selfishness and self-protection, a point that even Gwen acknowledged in the end as she grew.

Whether she is his superior officer or not does not excuse her from being abusive and disrespectful to her fellow Ebon Vangard members. She should grant Keiran the same amount of respect that she gives to everyone else who have sacrificed their lives for the cause. In other words, she should behave in way that her subordinates can look up to, not being bitchy, whiny, and immature. Being in a position of power means that she must exhibit more self control and stop picking on Keiran for every single thing possible, from his ponytail to calling him an irritating idiot at every turn, in front of his friends (i.e. us the player).

A11Eur0 · Dec 26, 2010, 08:33 AM // 08:33

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Originally Posted by Daesu

You are not the only one here who have been happily married for over a decade. A truly matured woman would understand that driving everyone that she cares about away from her is not the happiest way of living. In fact, it stems from selfishness and self-protection, a point that even Gwen acknowledged in the end as she grew.

Whether she is his superior officer or not does not excuse her from being abusive and disrespectful to her fellow Ebon Vangard members. She should grant Keiran the same amount of respect that she gives to everyone else who have sacrificed their lives for the cause. In other words, she should behave in way that her subordinates can look up to, not being bitchy, whiny, and immature. Being in a position of power means that she must exhibit more self control and stop picking on Keiran for every single thing possible, from his ponytail to calling him an irritating idiot at every turn, in front of his friends (i.e. us the player).

Go spend your early teens in a slave camp and tell me you won't be stand-offish for a while.

And again you're missing the whole point I was trying to make. Most of their dialogue after Keiran's return is said with tongue-in-cheek...learn something please. You keep harping on the ponytail...seriously, let it go. She doesn't like it, so she says so. You don't have to be a bitch/whiner/immature person to poke a little fun at something ridiculous as a g-dam ponytail. Every comment you make about her makes you seem like you simply hate women.

I doubt you're married...in fact, I doubt you've even had a real relationship.

Daesu · Dec 26, 2010, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Go spend your early teens in a slave camp and tell me you won't be stand-offish for a while.

And again you're missing the whole point I was trying to make. Most of their dialogue after Keiran's return is said with tongue-in-cheek...learn something please. You keep harping on the ponytail...seriously, let it go. She doesn't like it, so she says so. You don't have to be a bitch/whiner/immature person to poke a little fun at something ridiculous as a g-dam ponytail. Every comment you make about her makes you seem like you simply hate women.

If you are as mature as you say you are, you would not stoop to personal attacks simply because you think Gwen is such a great character, and we happen to disagree with you?

Togue-in-cheek or not, Gwen should behave a manner befitting of her position in the Ebon Vanguard ranks.

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I doubt you're married...in fact, I doubt you've even had a real relationship.

You doubt me because you probably lied about yourself being married for over a decade. A matured person would not have to stoop to personal attacks the moment someone disagrees with him. You sound like a kid to me.

keithmcm · Dec 26, 2010, 02:44 PM // 14:44

Myself, I really don't like solo missions, so I found the Thackeray things with assassin girl a pain. Once I actually tried to understand the skill set, it wasn't that bad, except the time assassin girl got stuck and 10 minutes of running around would not unstick her (yes I'm that stubborn). I enjoy the shiny blade bounties, it gives me something to do, since I gave up title hunting. I just do the five bosses on the one track from TOA, as a character builds up to 3. It's easy enough and free stuff ensues (though I got 4 Evennias and none of the other two minis).
The Beyond things are a nice plus to bridge us into GW2, whenever that happy day arrives, hopefully before I qualify for social security (I'm 57 now) though I'm betting minimum retirement age will be raised to 70 soon, but that's another discussion.
Overall I find the bonus WIK stuff to be a worthy addition to GW. And the footage of GW2 looks cool.
And merry holiday season or whatever (December, Wintersday, Festivus, winter solstice) to all.

Xiaquin · Dec 26, 2010, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Togue-in-cheek or not, Gwen should behave a manner befitting of her position in the Ebon Vanguard ranks.

She's a teenager and the only creatures there for her during adolescence kept her for entertainment. She joined the Vanguard for vengeance, not to be a better, caring person, which you can't learn anywhere but through experience with people. Hello, Keiran.

Bellatrixa · Dec 26, 2010, 06:04 PM // 18:04

In my eyes Keiran acts as the leader that Gwen should be. Gwen doesn't seem too sympathetic that he had to bury Langmar and how traumatic that was for him. Gwen does come across as an extrememly brattish and immature girl who shouldn't be holding a high rank in the Vanguard as she's not exactly a shining example of leadership considering her attitude. Sure, she knows a lot about Charr and their actions, but how is she fit to lead others when she can't conduct herself in a manner befitting to her position?

With this in mind, I'd have been grateful for cutscenes for the dialogue. I'm glad this part of GW:B is over so I don't have to put up with her whining until I do the storyline on another character, at which point I will go occupy myself with something else for the half an hour it takes for her to finish her bitchfit over whatever it is she's complaining about this time.

I could understand her standoffish behaviour at the start of Keiran's courtship of her, but her reaction during the proposal... yeah. At the wedding there should have been the option of "Keiran has put up with Gwen".

Daesu · Dec 26, 2010, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Xiaquin

She's a teenager and the only creatures there for her during adolescence kept her for entertainment. She joined the Vanguard for vengeance, not to be a better, caring person, which you can't learn anywhere but through experience with people. Hello, Keiran.

Didn't everyone else in the Ebon Vanguard join for vengeance? One would think that after going through so much sufferings in life and leading war veterans to many victories, she would have matured. But I guess not...If you don't care for the people you lead, they wouldn't care for you either and the Vanguard risks falling apart.

Constant picking on Keiran (who is another respectable member of her team, being the leader of the Ebon Falcons and a war hero) and calling him an idiot in front of his friends, is not acting like a matured leader. Captain Langmar is not even half as bitchy as Gwen is.

MagnumShadow · Dec 26, 2010, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Constant picking on Keiran (who is another respectable member of her team, being the leader of the Ebon Falcons and a war hero) and calling him an idiot in front of his friends, is not acting like a matured leader. Captain Langmar is not even half as bitchy as Gwen is.

That's why i take Keiran with my party,i want to keep him away as far as possible from that harpy.